Would he rebuke you, for teaching him early? Unlucky is the Man who has an untried heir, [ thranduil says, which he says with enough weight that he heard it somewhere, probably, and also do the boys have a dad if thranduil has not met him? ]

Guilfoyle will stay, if I ask it. What weapons do your grandsons train with?

[ this is elven loyalty: generational. ]